If you’ve been on a plane you’ve heard the safety instructions, “put on your oxygen mask before assisting other people.” And if you’ve been a leader you’ve likely heard “it’s all about the team.” So which is it in times of crisis?

In this episode we discuss which to prioritise and how, so that you can be the leader people need at the time they need you most.

Tune in for the full conversation or enjoy the moments below:

1:20 – Taking care of others isn’t always a selfless act

2:35 – When caring for others becomes a problem

4:38 – How the answer to this question is different in a crisis

9:52 – The cup analogy

13:26 – When helping others becomes procrastination

17:01 – The “self-focused” approach to helping others

22:42 – How having paradoxical beliefs can help

23:50 – “But I don’t have time”

28:58 – The interview question that changed Pili’s perspective on time

31:12 – Our favourite micro-recoveries